Dinesh D'Souza joins Greg Laurie to discuss his new book, The Stones Cry Out, a three-year project surveying 150 years of biblical archaeology. Dinesh walks through artifacts that corroborate Scripture down to minor details—the ossuary of Caiaphas, the Balaam inscription in Jordan, the rediscovered Pools of Bethesda and Siloam, and why the Church of the Holy Sepulchre remains the most defensible site of the crucifixion. The conversation widens to the Dead Sea Scrolls arriving one year before Israel's founding, the reasons socialism appeals to a generation disillusioned by crony capitalism, and why most atheism is personal before it is intellectual. Dinesh and Greg also push back on Calvinist determinism, arguing that free response is essential to a relational faith. Lighter moments cover Reagan's ranch, Nixon over breakfast, and fried bananas.
In part two of this conversation, Chuck Swindoll reflects on more than six decades of ministry, sharing what he wishes he had done differently. He talks about learning to say yes sooner, encourage others more often, criticize less, and involve his wife, Cynthia, as a true ministry partner much earlier in life. Chuck also discusses the four temptations every pastor faces—sloth, silver, self, and sex—and explains why the need for vigilance never disappears, even at 85.
Greg asks Chuck what passage he would preach if he had only one sermon left to give. His answer centers on the message of God's grace—freely given through Christ, undeserved and available to all who believe. Along the way, Chuck shares memories of mentors from Dallas Theological Seminary, reflects on the value of memorized hymns, addresses the rise of antisemitism, and speaks candidly about caring for Cynthia as she lives with dementia. The conversation closes with Chuck offering a heartfelt prayer over Greg, his family, and his ministry.
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