New Life LIVE: September 24, 2026

New Life: Welcome to the New Life Live podcast. We hope to provide help and hope in your life through God's Word, counselors, and psychologists as we answer questions from listeners who call with the challenges of life. Let's go to today's episode.
Brian Perez: Welcome to New Life Live. I'm your host, Brian Perez. I'm here with licensed marriage and family therapist JJ West, as well as clinical psychologist Dr. Jill Hubbard. Linda, we see you there on the phones. We'll get to you in just a moment. But first, Dr. Jill, what's on your mind to start us off?
Dr. Jill Hubbard: Hello, guys. It is good to be with you again. I was worried about what I was going to talk about today, so I decided to talk about worry. I'm wondering, are you a worry wart, or a Debbie Downer, or a fearer of what might happen, or a catastrophic thinker? All of these fall under the category of worry. I come from a long line of worriers. Both my grandmothers, born around 1910, were chronic worriers. In fact, when I was a kid, I thought that's how you show love. That's how grandmas show love. They worry about you. They worry you're not eating enough or all the little things. But I also realize as an adult, looking back, that one of my grandmothers didn't even drive. She was too worried to drive. In a lot of ways, they felt very trapped and powerless in their lives. Worry was a way to fill that gap. Worry is something that is in our thoughts, and it happens in our mind. Stress is when your body feels stressed. Those are the physiological responses. Then anxiety that results is the combination of the two. Here's the thing about worry. So many people as Christians—and I heard this recently, and this is part of what got me thinking about worry—worry is not a faith problem. We often tell people to just trust God and don't worry. It is actually an attention problem. It is because most people that are Christians and worriers do have faith. So why this constant worry? It's constantly pulling our attention and focusing on the things that we fear. What we give our attention to is what increases in our minds and in our bodies. There's a diagnostic category called generalized anxiety disorder. This is often the person that just tends to chronically worry about everything. Like I said, it could be just minor worry to catastrophic thinking. We all can fall into that easily. None of us are immune from it, but those that have it chronically end up with generalized anxiety disorder. From a spiritual standpoint, if we look at Luke 12:25, it says, "And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his life's span?" Verse 26 says, "If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest?" Logically, that makes so much sense. We can't control things. But our worry is a form of us trying to take control when we feel powerless. There's some magical thinking that goes along with it that our brain actually links our worrying to thinking that we can keep things from happening.
Brian Perez: As Christians, we all know that we want to make much of Jesus. When we're worrying, though, we're making much of the problem. We're drawing attention to the problem, and that is not what we're supposed to be doing. So let's quit being worriers and let's be warriors. We'll be right back with Linda and Dr. Jill Hubbard and JJ West here on New Life Live. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life Live. Let's talk to Linda, who is in McLean, Virginia. She listens to us on WAVA. Welcome to New Life Live, Linda.
Linda: Hi. How are you today? I was just listening to you and I've often wanted to call in. I'm a little nervous and feeling a little insecure about asking this question. I've been married for 34 years and our marriage has been one where we love each other. However, our sexual intimacy is lacking, and it isn't because of me. I often feel isolated because typically it's the man that wants to be intimate and the woman that doesn't for whatever reasons. But our story is the opposite, and I just would love to know how to walk through that in a way that honors God above all things and then my husband.
Brian Perez: You say you've been married 34 years and it's always been like this?
Linda: I have always been the aggressor. I can remember going back 15 or 20 years saying, "If we don't figure this out, this is a problem." I guess we're both not big on confrontation and probably pretty private. I don't really know why we have a hard time fixing this. I'm open to fixing it, but I don't think he knows how to fix it, to be quite frank with you.
JJ West: What does he say about it, Linda?
Linda: Not much of anything.
JJ West: Has he ever offered any explanation, or does he acknowledge the fact that you're the initiator?
Linda: No, he doesn't. I can bring it up, and I've cried and bawled and asked why are we doing this and why don't you want me. It's really to a brick wall. I don't think he knows how to do it. I know he's not into pornography, at least that I know. I know he's never cheated on me. We've been faithful to one another. The last five years, we're getting older, we've had sex once. That just makes me sad. I'm at a point now in my life at my age—I'm a couple years older than him—I'm at a place where it hurts too bad. I feel very rejected and ignored. I don't really know how to walk through it. Am I the only woman out there that experiences this?
Brian Perez: Not at all. Unfortunately, we hear these stories. Why don't we talk about it? That's a great question.
Linda: I don't understand why I feel so alone. I have had the pastor out to the house. We have a great pastor, but he didn't really know how to handle the situation.
JJ West: More than likely not because, honestly, a lot of pastors have to wear so many different hats. Most of them don't have the training in how to deal with some of these more challenging psychological issues.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: It's like going to a GP for a specific cancer diagnosis.
Linda: I completely understand that. We love our pastor and we continue to go to our church.
JJ West: There's any number of reasons, Linda, why your husband might not be interested in sex, and they range in severity. It could be he grew up in a very conservative, reserved home where sex in all forms was taboo. We don't talk about it, we don't think about it, and we don't look at it. If you do, you're being bad and disobedient. It's dirty and to be avoided at all costs. It could be certain forms on the autism spectrum where sex and physical touch are really uncomfortable and it's not talked about. It could be something along those lines. It could be a shame-based thing for him. There could be a lack of connection and not having the language or the ability to have the conversations with you about what's happening. There could be a history of sexual abuse that occurred for him that he's maybe not even fully aware of but has never talked about, so it hasn't been addressed. He continues to take that brokenness and that shame into his adult relationships. I'm just scratching the surface, by the way. There's a whole bunch of other reasons why this may be happening. But here's the good news. If he would be willing to see a therapist who has experience with sexual counseling and sexual therapy, there is hope for something different. It could start with attending something like the Intimacy in Marriage workshop where we start to give language to being able to talk about our sexual desires, whether they're there or not and why they might be there or not. We talk about our bodies and that it's okay to talk about our bodies. It's okay to talk about arousal. It's okay to talk about what touch feels good versus what touch doesn't feel good. So it could start with something like that. But I do think with the severity, the fact that this has been throughout the entire marriage and not just as you've aged and had erectile dysfunction or vaginal dryness, I think it would be helpful for both of you to talk with a therapist about how you start to have these conversations.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: As well, I don't know if he's ever had a medical workup because along with what JJ is mentioning, some men just have really low testosterone. Thus, they have just a lower desire. Then the shame of that and the fear of not being able to perform adds to it. I don't know, does he tend to be a man that's generally passive in most areas of his life?
Linda: I can tell you we have had his testosterone tested. He was on testosterone shots and creams and all that, and it didn't help. Then I revert back to it must be me, which has been a really crummy place to be. I have to believe that it's not me. I don't think he's passive. He's just old school where men don't tell you how they feel. He doesn't talk about emotions. He can cry at commercials, but he can't tell me he loves me or I'm beautiful, all those things that as women we would like to hear a little more often. I've resigned myself to the fact that it's what it is. Can I assume that through certain counseling we might actually, even though we're in our 60s, be able to have an intimate relationship?
Dr. Jill Hubbard: I think there's always hope if both people will engage in a process. Depending on what gets uncovered, I think the Intimacy in Marriage workshop would be a really great place to start because that's going to increase your emotional connection and your emotional understanding of each other and where these hurts come from. As you have compassion for one another, that softens your heart towards the other and that lends itself then to moving in that direction because it feels safer. I do think that for him to talk about this has probably got to be very uncomfortable as a man because many men don't have this problem.
JJ West: Just in the same way that you feel like there must be something wrong with me that I have a higher sex drive than my husband, he may be going, "Gosh, I don't have the sex drive that other men have. There must be something wrong with me. That means I'm broken and I can't talk about it."
Dr. Jill Hubbard: We've given you a lot there, Linda. There is a lot of shame for him and he tends to bury that.
Linda: I feel very isolated with this. I don't hear other women talking about this.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: Right, because you typically hear the opposite. They don't want sex because their husband wants it too much. Be careful what you wish for because on your side of things, it's terrible to not have your husband seek you out and show you that he desires you in that way. You're not alone, but women also feel shame about it and tend to not talk about it. I've heard of marriages that have gone 20 years without sex. It's so sad.
JJ West: Let me say this, Linda. You are not wrong or broken or dysfunctional for wanting intimacy with your husband. Desiring to be desired by him and desiring for him to want to be close to you and for him to want to express his love for you and to want to touch you and to want to express physically his desire for you—all of those things are built in as part of your good design. There's nothing wrong with you longing for those things. I want to say that emphatically. That is an indication of the good desires that God placed in your heart. There are definitely some things that have gotten in the way of the expression of that. I think the more you know, if you and your husband can get into some good counseling where he starts to uncover some of the why behind this, it could also help you because then you understand this isn't just a rejection. It's not just he's not interested or he's not attracted to you. There could be some very clinical or biological or psychological reasons that have gotten in the way of him being able to enjoy his desire of you.
Brian Perez: I think, too, it's not something a guy would bring up to another guy necessarily. How do you bring something like that up because of the shame that it might cause? It is not an easy topic.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: And it's just painful when women do share it.
Brian Perez: Linda, thanks for calling in today. We really do suggest that you check out the Intimacy in Marriage weekend workshop. It starts tomorrow in Dallas, Texas. You can find out more about it on our website, newlife.com, or by calling 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Let's go to Mike in Simi Valley, who watches us on YouTube. Mike went to the most recent Every Man's Battle intensive not too long ago, the one that started September 11th. What's going on, Mike?
Mike: I did go to Every Man's Battle. Thank you, JJ, for putting it together and for everything. It was really insightful and great. One of the things that I got out of it was he talked a lot about the masks that we wear. My dad, when I was younger, abused me and abandoned me and my siblings. As a result, I felt insignificant and I've always worn a mask of trying to look important and be important, like I'm somebody, because my dad treated me that way. I never realized that I wore that mask. By the way, the guy Chris was in my group and he didn't really share, but he got a lot out of the weekend. I know he did. He just wasn't able to share for some reason. But he created a group and he's connecting all of us together. He helped me the other night when I was struggling. I feel like he rescued me.
Brian Perez: Mike, we've got to take a break, but we want to continue talking about this such a good conversation when we return on New Life Live. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, visit newlife.com. Now back to New Life Live. We're talking to Mike in Simi Valley, California, who went to one of our most recent Every Man's Battle intensives in Orange County. We have another one coming up in just a few weeks. But Mike, I loved how you were talking about Chris, who was the guy that called in on a previous episode that Jill and JJ were on. You said that he was kind of the quiet guy. He didn't say anything, but he's the one who's setting up all the groups and calling and everything else. I love that.
JJ West: He absorbed a lot.
Mike: Yeah, he was really interacting. We all were. One of the things, too, is that my group leader asked me a question. He was real adamant about asking me a question. I don't even remember the question, but I remember the answer because it came to me as soon as he asked the question and it had to do with the mask. I knew the answer was it's because I wear a mask because I'm afraid that I'm going to be rejected. I wear this mask because I felt so unworthy and worth nothing, like I had no value because of how my dad treated me. So I wear this mask like I'm so important and I try and be funny, the funny guy, and try and be really important. I sound important and everything. The funny thing is that it's because I'm afraid of getting rejected, but really nobody likes to be around somebody who's trying to look important and be important.
JJ West: We call it either the Michael Jackson syndrome or the Kung Fu Panda syndrome. In the movie Kung Fu Panda, at the beginning, Master Shifu is talking with Master Oogway. Master Oogway tells him this vision of the bad guy, Tai Lung, getting out of prison. Master Shifu is freaking out. He's like, "Oh my gosh, we need to call the prison. We need to double the guard, triple the guard. We can't let this happen." Master Oogway says, "The path one takes to avoid one's destiny is often the one on which he finds it." You're absolutely right that we put on these masks as a way to protect ourselves from rejection, from pain, from separation. But those very masks that we wear keep others at arm's length, and so we experience rejection, disconnection, and separation. Then we redouble our effort and we put on a different mask or we put on a thicker mask. We go to some other extreme desperately trying for connection. Ultimately, what we have to do and what you talked about, Mike, is learning to take that mask off. It's all of us. We all do it. We all have masks. We all wear masks, different kinds of masks, but we all wear masks in the hope that other people will find it more acceptable than the real thing.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: In short, we create the very thing we're trying to avoid, and we don't see our participation in that.
JJ West: Mike, let me ask you a question. What was it that convinced you? How did you make the decision to go? I bet you there are guys out there right now who are listening to the program who are on the fence. They've heard it's pretty good, maybe, but can I give up the time and the money? How did you decide now is the time to go to the intensive?
Mike: I'm glad you asked because I did want to say and I had forgotten that Kay—she works for New Life Ministries—she called me and she encouraged me to go because I reached out like a month or two ago when it was in Dallas, Texas. I just reached out and I asked about the cost of the lodging or whatever. But Kay called me and she encouraged me to go. Also, I'm afraid to say this because of fear of looking bad or whatever, but I actually got a scholarship. I paid something, but I got a scholarship. I knew I needed to go and so I went. Thanks to Kay, she encouraged me to go.
Brian Perez: Thank you for taking that mask off too, because here you were ashamed to say that you got a scholarship. There's nothing wrong with that. It's great because if it's keeping anybody from going, if finances are getting in the way, like we always say, give us a call because we can help you. We have these need-based scholarships so that you can attend the next Every Man's Battle. Mike, what an encouraging phone call.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: It was really over time, Mike, because you were calling about Dallas and you ended up in Orange County. God was working on your heart to give you the courage to go and using others.
Brian Perez: Orange County is closer to home too. I love that you were willing to drive or fly from California to Dallas. Thanks so much for calling, Mike. It's so good to hear your voice again. I'm just thrilled to hear that you're continuing to do the work even after the intensive is over. Stay connected. Great conversation. Thank you, Mike, for calling. So glad you attended the Every Man's Battle intensive. The next one we're doing is the weekend of November 6th in Dallas, Texas. You can find out all about it on our website, newlife.com, or by calling 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Guys, we can't wait to see you there. Ladies, tell your husband, your boyfriend, whoever it is, that they need to attend this because you've heard the testimony. You've heard Mike's story and there are so many others just like him. We'll be back on New Life Live. Every day we hear from people all over the world who are looking for hope. They've been lost in a relationship struggle, addiction, anxiety, depression, all kinds of ways. Wouldn't you love to be part of a rescue team? Don't miss your opportunity to be part of something that changes lives every single day, because every one matters. Your generosity helps find them. You know we've seen God work in the lives of so many people over the years here at New Life and we want to invite you to be part of what God is doing. 99 for the 1 is our partner program that you can give to the ministry on a monthly basis to make sure that we can continue to reach out to the lost. Call 1-800-NEW-LIFE, 1-800-639-5433, or newlife.com/99for1. Join the mission. Rescue the one and restore the many. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life Live.
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Dr. Jill Hubbard: I have a question related to what Mike and Linda were discussing. JJ, since we're talking a lot about sexual issues, I'm wondering what about the person, the man who is a sexual anorexic? Would Every Man's Battle be a place for them? Is sexual anorexia a thing? It's someone who doesn't have a lot of sex, doesn't want to have sex, or is avoidant of sex in the same way an anorexic avoids food.
JJ West: Yes, Every Man's Battle would be a place, like for Linda's husband. You wouldn't think it because you're saying this person doesn't have a sexual integrity issue according to them. But avoidance of sex is also an intimacy problem. Really, no sexual addiction really is about sex. It's about other issues, deeper issues, and not being able to have healthy intimacy, or like Mike was talking about, feelings of significance. When you feel really insignificant, you act out in ways to make yourself feel more significant or you avoid it altogether. If this is your situation, I would encourage men to also attend because they look at all kinds of things: intimacy, father wounds, and lack of connection. If you're avoiding connecting with your wife, I imagine you might be avoiding other types of connection as well. A guy might think, "Isn't it better to be sexually anorexic than someone who's always watching porn or going to strip clubs?" It may feel like you are being honoring, but let's put it in the context of a marriage. To not engage in sex with your wife is limiting some of your emotional intimacy. Aside from physical dysfunction and things like that, why are you avoiding your wife in those ways? Chris highlighted something last time that I thought was really good. A lot of times men that act out with porn, which we know porn disrupts normal healthy sexual engagement, as they're coming out of those issues will sometimes flip into sexual anorexia because it becomes triggering. They don't want to have sex in the unhealthy way, so they just avoid it altogether. That is not the goal. It makes wives feel horrible. It's really important to understand integrity because it makes sense that most people would say if I'm not acting out, if I'm not looking at pornography, if I'm not engaged in masturbation, or going to strip clubs or having affairs, then a workshop on sexual integrity isn't for me because I'm being pure. But purity is not the same as integrity. Integrity is based on the root word integer. An integer is a whole number. Integrity is about sexual wholeness. It's not about sexual purity. Now, sexual purity is part of the equation, but sexual wholeness is bigger than that. When I am behaving in a sexually anorexic way, I'm not whole. I'm not using my sexuality in the way that God designed it to work, the way that God designed it to be a function or an expression of my connection with others. Ultimately, when we talk about Every Man's Battle or sexual integrity, it's really not so much about sex as it is about sin. Sin always offers me the opportunity to meet a legitimate need in an illegitimate way outside of God's will and design. Sometimes I will be trying to meet a legitimate need for connection and intimacy through illegitimate means of affairs or pornography. I could be trying to meet a legitimate need for safety and security in an illegitimate way of sexual anorexia where I'm avoiding sex in order to be safe. I'm avoiding sex in order to feel secure. That's just as destructive not only to my own heart but also to my primary human relationship.
Brian Perez: I think this is a very eye-opening discussion here because so often we think of purity and integrity as synonyms. As you said, JJ, yes, they are part of each other, but at the same time we put so much focus on terms like purity culture. What is purity if integrity is somewhat different?
JJ West: Purity should be about having a godly view of my sexual nature and me being a sexual being. It's the motivation. It's not just about behavior. It's not just about not doing X, Y, or Z. Purity also has to do with what my motivation is, what my thoughts are, and my desires are. Here's what we know from Scripture. It says in Proverbs 3:5-6—someone will look this up—it says to delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart. We read that sometimes as if I delight myself in the Lord, then I get all my desires. But a different way of understanding that is when I delight myself in the Lord, He will give me the desires of my heart. In other words, He will reshape and retrain my heart to desire the things that He desires for me. Having a healthy sexual relationship in the covenant of marriage is a desire that He gives me. He'll give the pure desires because we have such corrosion on our hearts from all the wounds that we've received.
Brian Perez: Great conversation today on New Life Live, just like every day on New Life Live. If you ever miss an episode, go to our website, newlife.com, or check out the New Life app or New Life Live on YouTube. We'll be right back in a moment. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, visit newlife.com. Now back to New Life Live. We've talked a lot today about the Every Man's Battle intensive and the Intimacy in Marriage intensive. But there's another intensive that we've got to talk about super quickly: the Restore healing after betrayal workshop. We've got one coming up in Washington, DC, and it begins on November 13th. This is for women who have been betrayed. It helps women understand what betrayal has done to their mind, their body, and their spirit while helping them set healthy boundaries and reclaim their worth in Christ. Ladies, it is time for you to step out of isolation and into a circle of women who truly understand. In the same way that we talked about Every Man's Battle and how the guys get together in a circle of guys who know what this is all about, this is for you ladies. You can find out more about it at newlife.com/restore and register. The next workshop begins November 13th in Washington, DC. That gives you about six weeks or so to prepare. Plenty of time.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: This totally rounds out our triple header for helping people. We've got Every Man's Battle for men, Restore for women, and then Intimacy in Marriage to bring it all together.
JJ West: Can I just say, I think there's a lot of women out there who believe that because he's the one who has the problem and made the bad choices and hurt me, why do I need to go to a workshop and do work? He's the one who needs to do work. I'm fine. I didn't do anything wrong. Let me say to you that you're right that he is the one who broke the marriage and made those poor choices. But you have an opportunity rather than seeing it as I'm going to do work, you see it as I'm going to get healing for my broken heart. This is a safe place, a non-judgmental place, and a shame-free place for you to be able to go and be honest about the pain that you're in and receive some healing from other women who have gone through the very thing that you're going through. It's not so much about you going to get yourself fixed because you did something wrong. It's really more about recognizing I've been harmed and injured and I'm going to the hospital to have the bone reset and to put a cast on so I can heal.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: It is about relief. Had we had this workshop decades ago when I needed it, I would have run to it. It's like you're bleeding, so you need to go to a hospital and get some relief and some actual care for you because you've been carrying the burden of often someone else's sin and shame. To not be under that shroud any longer and actually be able to say it out loud amongst people who care and know and understand.
JJ West: In a previous episode, we had heard about how sometimes pastors will give really bad advice to couples and especially wives whose husbands have betrayed. They tell them to just have more sex more often because he has a higher sex drive. You're not going to hear any of that at this workshop. You're not going to be targeted and told you didn't do this right and you didn't do that right and that's why your husband was unfaithful. You're going to be cared for and you're going to have the opportunity to see the impact of those wounds rather than be told you didn't do enough to keep your husband's attention or satisfy his sex drive, because that's just absolutely patently false.
Brian Perez: Get all the details at newlife.com/restore or call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. It begins November 13th, so plenty of time for you to start running now. I think we have time for a question that was submitted online through newlife.com/radio. It's from Bill in Salinas who listens on newlife.com. He asks, "What should I do to reconcile with my sister? My sister never let my parents or myself visit her in 40 years, except after my father died. She gave my mother a ride 150 miles to her house, where her husband was very rude and abusive. Now both my parents are gone and I'm still afraid to visit my sister and her husband. Why do you think they locked us out? Could someone else be advising them to do this?"
JJ West: It could be that someone else is advising them to do it. I wonder if she was doing that as a way to protect the family if, in fact, the one time that she brought her mom to the house her husband was abusive to her. I wonder if perhaps she was trying to put a buffer between her abusive husband and the rest of the family.
Dr. Jill Hubbard: It sounds like maybe your sister married someone who wasn't safe. There may be a lot of shame in that for her. We don't know how much your sister was abused by her own husband and maybe he had no use for her family and the choice was to be with him, continue the marriage, the kids, her lifestyle, but you have to ex out your family. Sometimes a spouse can do that to someone, and it's heartbreaking that they don't reach out and actually talk about what's really going on. A lot of time has passed, Bill. It never hurts to try to reach out for understanding, even when things have gone decades, because people get into patterns that become habits and it's just easier to avoid. So write your sister a letter. "Sis, we've had so much separation in our families. It's been a lot of years. Any chance we could talk? Could we have a phone call? I really want to understand and I want to know you, even at this late stage of life. I'd like to see if we could reconnect. What do you think?" All you can do is invite people into relationship. You can't force it. But know that people make these decisions out of a place of thinking that they're doing the right thing even when it's very wrong and very hurtful. I never like this solution of cutting people out. To me, it's the last final resort.
JJ West: It could be an evidence of the desperation she feels. She may feel as though her life is so controlled by her husband that she has no other option. But I agree with you, Jill, for Bill to keep making the invitation. If she doesn't respond the way that you're wanting her to, don't take that personally because you don't know what is going on with her and whether or not she does feel controlled either by her husband or perhaps by an outside influence where this feels like the safest route for her.
Brian Perez: Bill, thanks for sending in your question. Go to our website to find out more. God bless you guys. We'll talk to you next time on New Life Live. Thank you so much for listening. We hope something you heard will help you live in freedom today. If this content was helpful for you, we would love it if you would take a minute, leave a review, post about it, and rate it. Remember, we have resources and workshops online for you as you continue your journey. Go to newlife.com to find out more information. And thank you for being part of the New Life community. We know that God desires all of us to live a life of wholeness and healing and we're so glad that you're here.